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Tuesday, February 20, 2007

 HUMAN NATURE: GOOD OR EVIL?

I want to know your thoughts:
This is the question of the day. Is our (humans) nature good, evil or maybe neutral? I would love to read your thoughts on this subject. But when you give your thoughts, please give me reasons for your thoughts. Are your thoughts based on some personal experience, higher authority, some authoritative piece of wisdom or something else? In other words, I would love to read the pieces of wisdom or personal experience that shapes your belief. (Feel free to blog about this on your own xanga or myspace site and direct them to this site if you like. I'm trying to get back to blogging, but there is more energy for me in blogging when more people are involved. Right or wrong that is the way it works for me at this point. I'd love to get a variety of different opinions on this topic if possible. Of Course NO ONE'S OPINION WILL BE DEGRADED ON MY BLOG. In other words, opinions may be disagreed with, but people must not be degraded.)

My Thoughts:
Of Course for those of you who do not know, I am a Christ Follower. I believe that Jesus is the One and only Son of God, who also came in the form of a man to save us from our sins. That is a very loaded statement of which is open for questions or discussion from anyone, as well. But to be short, I believe that humans tend to do the wrong thing. That means that if God is the author of good, then humans tend to drift from Him.

Some of you may ask, "Why do you believe in such a thing?" I believe this because of a collected wisdom beyond my own wisdom (the Bible). In other words, it seems as though the scriptures, which I believe to be God's word through many wise, but yet flawed authors, builds this very truth: Humans seem to do the wrong thing. My own experience and history itself also seems to confirm what the scriptures say as well. Now you must know that I do not believe that humans are utterly evil without the capacity for good. I do think that we have a tremendous capacity for goodness. We were made in the image of God (however broken and faded that may become). So there is potential for goodness that can be found in history, the scriptures and experience, as well. However, I just believe that we, on our own accord, tend to drift from what is right to what is wrong.

Is the Bible God's Word?
This is a very important question that must be answered for many people. There is much evidence for the understanding that it is God's Word. One piece of evidence that shines above many others are the prophecies about Christ and his work of salvation, written 300, 700 (especially Isaiah), even 1000 years before Christ's appearance on the earth. Even the most radical liberal Old Testament scholars date the  latest  prophecies about  Christ  as being written  at least 150 years before Christ.  There are also several pieces of scholarship that write off such prophecies and even Christ's historical existence, as well. But that is another discussion for another time. I have done much study on this with as much of an open mind as I can muster (being a person who has experienced Jesus' literal presence). Yet I find the sceptical scholarship wanting, even by scientific standards. At this point try to imagine with me if you don't already believe, that the Bible is indeed at the least an attempt of God trying to communicate wisdom to man. Or at least appreciate the fact that there are no other texts that have been found to be as ancient or as accurate as what we have in the collection of the Bible.

Scriptural Evidence of human evil tendencies:

Romans 3:9-11 "What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; as it is written,'There is none righteous, not even one; there is none who understands there is none who seeks for God; All have turned aside together they have become useless; there is none who does good, there is not even one.'"


Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Isaiah 64:6"For all of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; and all of us wither like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind take us away

Scriptural Evidence of human potential to do good:
Proverbs 2:20 "Thus you will walk in the ways of good men and keep to the paths of the righteous"

Psalm 11:7 "For the Lord is righteous, he loves justice; upright men will see his face."

Isaiah 57:1-2 "The righteous persih, and no one ponders it in his heart; devout men are taken away and no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil. Those who walk uprightly enter into peace; they find rest as they lie in death."

Matthew 6:1 Be careful not to odyour acts of righteousness before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

Is God's word contradictory here?  No, one has to understand what makes a person righteous with all that is said in the scriptures about humans tending to lean towards evil. A man is considered righteous when He trusts in the living God of the universe, who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It is not his/her good deeds that make them righteous. It is their humility before God and trust in Him that allows God to bestow righteousness upon someone. Righteousness could only be given to people when the stain of sin is wiped away. Why is this important? Because sin is contagious and destructive. One sin even of relatively minor proportions tends to snow ball and ultimately destroy many peoples lives, hopes and dreams.

The simplest lie would be a great example. Lies tend to start small and ultimately destroy trust, relationships, etc... If God has prepared a wonderful place for everyone, how can he allow people with the stain of sin to enter this place. He can not. Or else the beauty of it all would be lost and corrupted as we often see happen in this world. So He had to wipe away sin because of justice. Justice is what someone deserves and it carries over into eternity. Justice is actually a good thing. It preserves what is pure, holy and good. An example would be, that if someone kills (theoretically) then they should be killed according to justice. This helps to preserve what is left of goodness and innocense with those who don't kill. Someone may do many good things, but if that person is a killer also then he/she is a carrier of the disease of killing. It doesn't go away without justice being done. It is a natural law of God in the context of freewill. Therefore, someone has to pay for that sin as a law of justice, whoes ultimate goal is to preserve peace. Jesus paid the price for all who freely accepted the payment (God almost always works in the context of freewill).

Therefore, a righteous man is one who trusts in the living God of the universe, who is also Jesus. And his righteousness is given to him/her and not earned (Ephesians 2:8-9). God also imparts the tendency to do what is right in the man who trusts in Him. This is done through the power of the Holy Spirit. Hence, not only is that man/woman with faith in a position of righteousness before God, but also starts to lean toward doing the right thing as a result of the Holy Spirit given to him/her.

More to come on historical and experiential evidence that the natural man tends to do evil...



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Romans 5:12 - "Wherefore, as by one man, sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned."

We all have a sinful nature.

Ephesians 2:3 - "Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were BY NATURE the children of wrath."


larry
Posted 2/20/2007 7:32 PM by LSP1 - reply

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Hi Scott, Thank you for your comment on my Xanga.  I would like to reply to your comment first and then would comment on the above entry.

I do not say that everybody must use the Tarot. If you accept the Bible's authority and it gives you all you need to grow by your own measures and be in touch with God then that is the course to pursue. I can by no means claim or assert that the Tarot is a better course of action.  I have no reason to argue to discredit the Bible or its claims. The fact that it is of value for so many people accross the world show can not be denied. There are people like myself who do not share the Christian faith. I am exploring other teachings and philosophies with the same zeal with which I studied Christianity in my younger days. I know many Christians who add to their lifes through reading other books as well. I find the Tarot facinating and my interaction beneficial and it gave me insight. I share what I learn, think and experience. I have no reason to convert, argue or pursuade others to think differently. I found amazing insights into myself by studying the the Tarot. It is a common error to equate the Tarot to Divination. Surely it is a popular view of the Tarot that is portrayed in almost every secular book you pick up. The tarot is a system of thought, archetypes...a model of the universe and of life. So my response in essence is: Do not use the Tarot, and leave those who want to use it in peace.

It brings me to your topic of the day. In my opinion Christianity has always demonized everything that was not within the Christian faith. Every person, believe system etc. that is not alignment with Christian thought is evil. Therefor all people, mysel included, who do not believe in Christ must be evil. As i commented before...you are trapped in a black and white world with no colors or shades of gray in between. Christianity can not escape its dyadic experience of the world. The departure point is that man is born in sin and evil. Man must be redeemed by an act of God because man can not do anything himself. Good and evil is an invention of Christianity. The concept does not even exist in some philosophical frameworks.  In my present position believe system I believe that man is neither  good nor evil.  Whether your actions are good or evil is a choice. I have met people that is beyond reproach by all moral standards set by Christianity and yet they are deemed evil and lost because they do not believe in Christ. In almost every believe system, love is present as a universal principle.

Not being a Christian implies that I do not have faith in the Bible. When you read the Bible its logic ad power is unshakable. When I read the Bible it means nothing to me. With respect, the Bible to me is written by people with their own agenda's. I have no substance to claim that the Bible is the only authoratative word of  God. There are many ancient writings that parralel the Bible in terms of age, insight, wisdom and beauty. If God speaks through experience, events etc. and never contradicts the Bible then I do not need the Bible, but can go directly to God. If by any means one uses the world around us to learn something about God then I will make the following observations. God is a universal God...to all mankind and all living things alike. God does not favor any person above another. God has an agenda for everybody to grow and develop. God is not limited by human philosophies and religions...God rises above that. God pulls all men towards life, light and love. God does not condemn men but seeks the upliftment of man. God has given man full freedom of choice to choose his conduct and to experience the results of his conduct. All are born the same, all will die, all will have equal chance to experience good and evil...what makes the difference is the choices man makes as he journeys from birth to death. Man chooses how to react to good and evil.  God creates the opportunity and plants within man the potential but man's choice determines his experience.

In my picture you are loved by God within your Christian faith as much as what I am loved with my faith, both of us received equally both of us have the same accountability to live life to what we believe is right.

A father had two children. He told both of them that he was their father. They both lived in their father's house and abided by his rules....the one believed that the father was his father while the other said: " I can not know whether you are my father because I was not conscious of my birth, but I will live in this house and by its rules". The Father loved both of them. When he died however he stated in his will that the son who acknowledged him as his father will receive all his belongings and that the son who denied him must be beheaded.

Posted 2/21/2007 2:34 PM by Zeal4living Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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RYC: We are in alignment about what we expect from each other and have a good basis for continued dialog (time permitted). I have always appreciated your openness to engage with me, stating your believes clearly and respecting mine.  I will not be so bold to say that I will never be a Christian nor do I have reason to attack Christianity. I treasure my Christian upbringing for what it gave me. I do not reject Christian principles but have to express my doubt when it comes to the Bible as the unfailable word of God. I am always open to the possibility of being wrong...but never gullible to eat up everything that is dished up by others.

So thank you for the dialog and your interest in picking it up again. You are always free to express your opinion or perspectives on the topics I write about. I actually have many Christians readin my Xanga and your view often brings a healthy perspective to the concepts, ideas and philosophies I am addressing.

Best regards,

Jurgens

Posted 2/22/2007 12:15 AM by Zeal4living Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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Ummm.... I don't know if it's just me today 'cuz my mind is TOTALLY out of it (allergies ={  ), but I BARELY comprehend what you've said. I'm vey confused right now...

We ( my choir at school) have a contest Tuesday and we are barely rehearsed. Yesterday we had to be at school at 7:30 and practice in 5th period, so I got out of English, and today we stayed after shool 'til 4:15. Tomorrow we practice during 5th period again and Monday again after school. We have regular class too, which is 7th period. Tuesday we have to be at school by 7:15 in the morning to warm up befor we go to contest. It is VERY tiring to stand and sing for so long!!!! I still can't stand for a whole class period and my knee not bug me yet.

But yeah... I have a LOT of school work to do and so on. I need to go finish my book review for tomorrow!!!!!!!!!

Are we going to have 5th quater tomorrow night? I've not been in youth so I'm lost with all the events and stuff. (I'm VERY talkative tonight and wish I could go somewhere and get away from school work and anythng to do with school, even CHOIR!!!!!!!!!!

So yeah....

God Bless - Chelsey

Posted 2/22/2007 6:45 PM by star_dreamer101 - reply

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"Is our (humans) nature good, evil or maybe neutral?"

"No one is good --except God alone." says Jesus (Mark 10:18 and Luke 18:19), so that let's good out, doesn't it.

But how do we define evil? I'll be the first in line to testify that humans have a sinnful nature. Scripture is full of support for than. But is sin necessarily evil? One man steals a loaf of bread to feed his family. Another man steals because he is too lazy to work. A third man steals, not because he has to, but because he likes the thrill he experiences at beating the system. A forth man steals because he likes to inflict suffering on his victims. All have stolen. All are thieves. All have sinned. But which of these is truly evil. All? None? 2 and 4, but not 1 and 3? How is evil to be defined?

Some sin is certainly evil, but is all sin evil? Joseph believed sleeping with another man's wife as a "great evil" (Gen 39:9) in the New American Standard, but "great wickedness" in The King James.

The Hebrew "ra' ra'ah" definitely suggests evil, but the definition includes something which causes exceedingly great harm. There is an element of wretchedness about it that has the capacity to inflict misery. By the Hebrew definition in this verse, evil is not just sin which is mischievous, but sin which results in calamity for its own sake.

While I see all of humanity as sinners, I don't see your average guy on the street sinning for the sheer pleasure of inflicting pain on others, though there are certainly some who do. That being the case, so I guess I'll say that human nature, for the most part, is neutral at this point.
Posted 2/24/2007 10:43 AM by thereluctantsinger Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - reply

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First off good to hear frome you Scott, I see you havent changed from the path ordained by God for you. That's heartening to see.

Now to reply to this particular blog about human nature:

I believe that human nature is not just one thing or another its everything. Even the Bible can test to it. Point is that we have the choice of our nature (FREE WILL). This nature can lead us or we can ignore it good or bad. Some could say that nature is of God but in truth nature is just the internal guidence system that can led you to complete whatever destiny (god or other beings) want you to.

Hard to swallow maybe but in all reality you can never find the answer to such questions as our dear Scott has shown here. We all are searching for the last bit to make us whole and the last bit that would complete the unfinished master piece called man. That is why nature is neither good or bad or nuetral. It is all things leding us to where the end is whatever that happens to be. This makes it everything at least if youre looking from the human point of view. Because sometimes the good choices it allows will hurt and the bad will feel good.

Maybe I'm just rabbling now which I tend to do but here's a question for you. Was it my nature to respond to Scott after not speaking on his blog for forever and a day? Was it God's will that he and I talk even though in his religion I'd be the Queen of Fence Walkers? Or was it just my choice to step away and see how an old xanga bud was doing?

Now which of those answers were good or evil or nuetral?

You decide............

~Lucky

PS What's green and stands in a corner?

a naughty frog !!!! 

Posted 2/24/2007 9:35 PM by LUCKCHASE - reply

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Good, evil and neutral are all measured in degrees based upon actions are they not? If you are asking when people are born regardless of the religious dogma of some sects I would have to believe people are born neutral. And then from that moment influenced by environment and other factors...
Posted 2/25/2007 6:06 PM by Leonidas Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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Scott, If you still interested in the spirituality of the Tarot, then you might be interested in reading my entry of today where I shortly explain how the concept of reincarnation is reflected in the Tarot.
Posted 2/26/2007 2:07 PM by Zeal4living Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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Hey Scott. I'm bored right now... I just commented Debi and told her that I'm more than likely bringing 2 friends to Acquire the Fire. The're going to give me an answer by Saturday so I can have a definite answer for you Sunday.

So yeah... I'm having a somewhat hard time trying to think of what I would like to have for classes as a freshman next year.... I have to know by next Thursday.\

So yeah...

God Bless - Chelsey

Posted 3/8/2007 3:52 PM by star_dreamer101 - reply

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Hey Scott!!!! Ummm.... How much money will I need next weekend? Will there be any things on sell from any of the bands and will I need to bring money to eat? My mom's just wondering... See ya.

God Bless - Chelsey

Posted 3/16/2007 3:49 PM by star_dreamer101 - reply

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Hey Scott!!!!!!!!! I just thought I'd comment.... Sooo, see ya. I MIGHT be at church Sunday, but more than likely not. It depends on where my grandmother wants to go. I go to church with her every Easter and Mother's Day.

So yeah...

In Christ's love - Chelsey

Posted 4/5/2007 5:15 PM by star_dreamer101 - reply

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hello...I think Human nature is good...next is my experience..when I first read Bible..simple my impression ( I was high teen ) what a hell in these people...speak bloody and horrible thought...I totaly couldn't follow up...this is doctrin for crime or sin people...these view was difference firstly...I think this is difference of culture perhaps..we raise uped pure baby as good charactor..so nothing miserable for born in human..and see baby's atitude as like as angel..human is getting wrong with sliding adult when knew bad thing that other bad people do...christ doctrin borned from Judaism..after, many religion art blossomed in music or cuture and white people accept christ doctrin ...but roots was Arab colored people's religion in origin..so I always wonder why anglosakson borrowed arab's religion.. 
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